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, florida republican senator marco rubio knows that the bill he has helped device as part of the senate's gang of eight is far from a sure thing. rubio told the conservative mike gallagher show tuesday. >> the bill that is in place right now probably can't pass the house. it will have to be adjusted because people are suspicious about the willingness of the government to enforce the laws now and in theture. >> which didn't seem to bother white house press secretary jay carney. >> well, i haven't heard that assessment. i think as the president and others have made clear we're still in our oral stages here. we have a comprehensive immigration reform bill that was authored by republicans and democrats in the senate, and has significant bipartisan support but that process is still moving forward. >> john: in fact, the senate judiciary committee is supposed to start marking up the bill next week, which could be when the process grinds to a halt. that's because when committee chairman pat leahy democrat from vermont has said he'll offer up an amendment that would give gay americans the right
marco rubio who has recently suggested that the immigration bill being hammered out in the senate may need stronger border security provisions to pass. >> i expressed to president that i'm opt a mystic about us getting this done because it's the right thing to do. we've seen leaders from both parties indicate that now is the time to get comprehensive immigration reform done. what i'm not going to do is to go along with something where we're looking for an excuse not to do it, as opposed to a way to do it. >> nbc's kristen wellker traveling with the president today joins us live from mexico city. one of the potential point of tension, what more are we hearing about that cooperative effort? >> well, peter, i can tell you that both leaders downplayed the significance of that shift. mexico's president during that press conference yesterday saying that both countries will still have a close cooperation. there is no clash between those two goals. president obama said it made sense. he is a new leader. he should reassess how he approaches such a difficult problem. the president also vowing t
amendments, here you've got jim demint versus marco rubio. marco rubio was a protege of jim demibt. is taking a hard line against marco rubio, who has been very forceful about his support for the immigration compromises. >> the big difference between the gun debate and the immigration debate is this is actually a debate that more republicans want to have. they need to get on the right side of immigration, in way they did not need to get on the right side of the gun issue. marco rubio is basically the future of the party where jim demint was the guy from the past. i mean he obviously has a role at the heritage. i think that the folks in washington who understand where the party needs to go, want to be on the train with marco rubio. >> i'm just, so jim demint comes out with the whole thing which is putting a price tag he says to what he's calling amnesty to what they're doing. >> and the reason they're putting it out there. we've not had time to go through it. but the economic data on this is -- >> they come up with trillions of dollars. what are you seeing? the initial trashing of this study i
and that scores for senator rubio. >> one rising star would be senator marco rubio. >> i see the good of immigration. >> our black guy. >> marco rubio is not the man. well, there is an alternative. you could just not be a budget squishes. >> cruz is the man. >> let's get right to our panel. dana milbank, a political columnist and dr. james peterson, an associate professor at lehigh university and msnbc contributor. dana, the national review is out with a damming cover story on mr. rubio and his immigration bill. it references the elites and obama care and even throws in a reference to alinsky and some version of amnesty 23 full-times and calls it the schumer rubio bill saying at one point, the schumer rubio bill seeks to implicate -- at the table by handing out more visas. what happened? >> if it continues, he may want to consider self-deportation, a little bit safer. right, he is supposed to be the savior of the party. we see what's happening with the -- doing to its savior and in a way, it's worse for the republican party now than if this whole thing had never happened because now,
that bipartisan nature to get something done in the house. as you saw yesterday that marco rubio said even the gang of eight i am frags reform pill wouldn't pass the house as it is currently written. i think this will be enormously tough. divided government was always going to be tough. the notion that somehow the election was going to at the clier one winner and one loser and everything will fall in line is a huge fallace. >> they don't seem to have a co-he's civil strategy or agenda. it is clearly one of the two sides deciding to leak something about this meeting that they were fighting and disagreeing on a strategy, for instance, how to deal with health care. >> the love the stores leaked out. >> clearly one was trying to send the message. >> i think leadership is frustrated and with each other and out of a dpas thgas. it is really one of those situations. >> you just had a youtube moment. >> they just don't have the votes. they get them done and they -- >> they have to wait for the senate. >> that's the paralysis. if the senate could goat 70 or 75 votes on immigration, it gets enough m
to push through the house right now, but that has marco rubio worried, senator from florida. he is looking at what the house republicans are considering doing, and he is a little worried about it. here is marco rubio on the mike gallagher radio show. >> the bill probably can't pass the house, because people are very suspicious about the willingness of the government to enforce the laws given our experience with immigration in the past. >> michael: knowing that you have marco rubio saying things like that, how can you get this past? >> we go one by one by one. you have individual people telling their stories as they did today on may day. there is a group that has a great documentary on the dreamers and the story of those that have come here and made a life for themselves. you do it by making sure the economic benefits of immigration are very strong, and we're not going to let phobia or boston being an excuse. >> michael: it's almost as if they seize upon things that give them pause when they wanted to have a reason to have pause in the first place. how do
of eight plan. even marco rubio, the face of this senate immigration reform bill is now expressing doubt the gang of eight's proposal can pass the house. >> the bill that's in place right now probably can't pass the house. it will have to be adjusted because people are very suspicious about the willingness of the government to enforce the laws now given our experience with immigration that's a legitimate suspicion and one that i share. >> there's one person in washington who is still optimistic that a deal can be reached. >> i feel confident that the bipartisan work that's been done on immigration reform will result in a bill that passes the senate, passes the house, and gets on my desk. >> can a deal get done? >> joining me now is robert costa and msnbc contributor maria theresa cumar. >> i love the pronunciation on that. >> i want to go to you first. that quote by rubio admitting that this faces an uphill battle in the house is telling to me. i spoke to one member of the gang of eight who says that marco rubio is more important than 50 gangs of eight. if this needs to be changed, it's
como marco rubio dice que no es correcto involucrar temas gay. >> es poues sumamente importante a miemrbros de nuestra comunidad gay sean incluidas en esta legislacion lo importante es que familias no sean dividos. >> lulac fue una de las organizaciones que se reunio con el presidente. >> no dijo que tengamos que aceptarlo como esta sino que solamente veamos como esta y que lo acepetemos más adelante. >> la propuesta bi-partidista del senado vivira un momento crucial si se haran cambios cruciales, desde washington fernando pizarro, univisión. >> en momentos en que le presidente barack obama visita méxico se destaca la negociacion, podría wenfremtar sus propios desafios de seguridad, serían potencias más que china y otros en este ambito. >> un contundente avance de las industria textil hasta la tecnología actual que podría desplazar a china en pocos años. >>> el cientificio antonio galvan nos habla del combustible que crece en demanda, este tiene una autonomia de 60 horas. >> es de cerca de 100 kilómetros por hora y saliendo de yucatan podríamos llegar a españa. >>
despectiva forma de marco rubio , se ríe de la reforma de migratoria con frase los disparates de rubio . >> ataques contra hispanos en nueva jersey, 6 agresiones contra trabajadores latinos, . >> víctimas de robos, justamente cuándo cobran salarios una víctima escucho insultos raciales . >> miles tienen armas y cometen delitos . >> el gobernador del estado aprueba fondo de 24 millones de dólares para desarmar a esas personas tenemos como lo harán . >> más de medio centenar de agentes de california se preparan para decomiso de 40 mil armas . >> que están en posesión de personas que no las pueden tener . >> en california cualquiera que tiene felinias mayores o violencia doméstica ellos pierden derecho de tener armas, en su casa . >> después de newtown el gobernador de california otorgo 24 millones de dólares a decomiso de armas de fuegos . >> 36 nuevos oficiales que quitan armas a estas personas que no las deben de tener . >> hay lista de 20 mil personas con 33 agentes cuesta decomisar . >> el departamento de justicia de california investigo 4 mil personas, que no pueden ten
. senator marco rubio said more immigration will bring us more prosperity. take a listen. >> it puts in place the toughest enforcement measures in the history of the united states potentially in the world. once and for all it opens it for those legally, it does so in a way that's fair and passionate. and it isn't unfair to the feel that did it the right way. >> stand with mark quo rubio. tomorrow, oil demand, reaching a tipping point or plenty to go around? we explore both sides of the issue and what it could mean for investors an consumers caught in the middle. "squawk box" at 6:00 p.m. eastern on cnbc. you hurt my feelings, todd. i did? when visa signature asked everybody what upgraded experiences really mattered... you suggested luxury car service instead of "strength training with patrick willis." come on todd! flap them chicken wings. [ grunts ] well, i travel a lot and umm... [ male announcer ] at visa signature, every upgraded experience comes from listening to our cardholders. visa signature. your idea of what a card should be. and never back down. who believe the american dr
of a quin. unlike with guns, this is an issue where senator marco rubio want a deal. >> we can't leave in place behawe now it is terrible for the country. >> when asked about allowing illegal immigrants to be u.s. citizens if they meet requirements like learning english and paying back taxes. 70 percent of the voters favor that only 21 percent oppose. there are plenty concern about the boston tersor. eye new poll found if the bombings change would their opinion on a path of citizenship for illegal immigrants 23 percent said yes . 70 percent said no . that could increase the likely of terror, sevenpercent said decreasing the likelihood and 66 percent said no difference. >> here in mexico, the president needs to be serious on board security. >> that is a major confession. what we expect is to modernize our immigration citizen and have the tracking system and five and half billion in border security in addition to what is spent. >> rubio is a key architect for the gang of 8. >> i am optmistic we are going to get comprehensive immigration reform passed. >> he appeared to not push harder on
party as well. you can see, the rand paul fans and the marco rubio fans. but i have to say those guys in my view at least a pretty impressive or more impressive than the candidates republicans are putting forward lately. and again i think mitt romney is probably a wonderful man and all that. >> [inaudible] >> i just can't believe it. i don't want to pick on the guy, but i remember him well. i opened the paper and i see he's the senate president or whatever. i was shocked. >> thank you very much for your comments but i want to start by saying first of all i agree with you about the issue of this current political paradigm. i do believe it is doomed. but i'm still optimistic. i believe that what, that the phoenix will be able to arrive from these ashes. i was in washington, d.c. last month were ann coulter in front of 1400 students that are all very enthusiastic about free market liberty. i think the current people in power in the current paradigm are just not, they are not grasping the honest enthusiasm that a great number of people in my generation have for these ideas. we just haven'
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it's hard to characterize marco rubio as a moderate, but the pro immigration reform advocates in the senate and around washington, d.c., including people like grover norquist, doug holtz-eakin, and on the other side outside groups that sort of make their living by being more conservative than the republican establishment -- the heritage foundation, the club for growth, freedom works, organizations like that that have made their living over the last couple years by opposing republican leadership. how will the members of the house republican conference specifically view that tug and pull? are they going to go with the members of the u.s. senate, especially if the senate gets some kind of super majority to pass this bill? or are they going to go with the outside groups who might give them a real problem in a primary? it's those house republicans i'm looking most towards to see how this bill is going to do in the next couple weeks. >> all right. steve israel, democrat from new york and chair of the democratic congressional campaign committee. do you agree with what you just heard?
rubio on the cover calling it marco's followy. that oh shop shop is photoed. they photoed grover norquist out of the shop. >> he was a tea party darling until he went to d.c. and played hem. >> we put him in office and this is not what he promised us. >> senator rubio about what 22 million workers who can't find a full-time job. >> michael: the tea partyers may have fallen out of love with rubio but they still have a soft stop for ted cruz who has been trying to derail the effort ever since he got to the senate. >> i don't think there is any issue in this entire debate that is more di verysive than a path to citizen for those who are here illegally. main >> michael: that puts cruz squarely against marco rubio another possible 2016 contender. here to talk about the immigration battle brew be between senator rubio and ted cruz is wayne slater, wayne's senior political director for dallas morning news and joins us from dallas, texas. great to have you. >> great to be here you as always. >> michael: ted is being talked about as a possible 2016 candidate. it's his job to hut himself
. >>>e l senador marco rubio cree que la enmienda puede ser el fin de la frágil legislación. >>> pero no todos están de acuerdo. >>> no están legalizando el matrimonio gay, solamente darles un permiso de residencia a estas parejas. >>> grupos que defienden los derechos de los homosexuales dicen que el temor que la enmienda falle es exagerado. >>> la enmienda da derechos inmigratorios a los homosexuales es complicado para grupos religiosos y conservadores. >>> el derecho del ser humano de dar su punto de vista lo tienen pero que va afectar la reforma migratoria no. >>> la reforma migratoria está en manos de los congresistas y depende de la presión de quienes luchan por su aprobación. >>>e l próximo domingo univisión tiene un programa especiual, una edición de aquí y ahora donde saldrá todo lo que usted necesita saber sobre la reforma migratoria, el domingo a las 7, 6 centro. >>> los inmigrantes indocumentados podrán obtener licencia de conducir en oregon, el gobernador firmó la ley en la marcha del día del trabajo, las licencia serán por 4 años, el requisito es haber vi
in the polls. obviously, this has rg ignited a national debate. senator marco rubio really the face of this bipartisan immigration proposal coming out of the senate. but i think that it's stoked the flames, if you will, of a contentious debate. >> thank you so much for being here. >> thanks for having me. have a great day. >> you too. >>> from talking goats to racing squirrels, here's a look back at the week that was. >> reporter: what happened to spring? flash flooding, miles of mud and lots and lots of snow. but it it wasn't the storms that tripped up a weather man in houston. >> excuse me. here's the big picture. >> the president got raves for his term at comic in chief at the white house correspondents' dinner. >> need a burst of new energy, try some new things and my team and i talked about it. we were willing to try anything. so we borrowed one of michelle's tricks. >> reporter: but it was all business at the fbi with three new arrests in the boston bombings investigation. >>> jason collins, the coming out party of a lifetime. >> he came out as black and gay. even more shockin
thanks to marco rubio and the republican side and chuck schumer? >> the ace in the hole is if the economy strengthens, as well. his approval rating has been around 50% the length of his presidency. as kim suggests, if he is hanging back and he is going to capture 17 seats in the house he is going to have be a lot more popular than he is right now. he needs some wins. >> paul: the problem with second term presidents have is flexibility. president obama has never really wanted to have an aggressive foreign policy agenda. he doesn't have that kind of flexibility that you saw with reagan, for example, or with bill clinton. >> no, it is as you say largely self-imposed. i think there were several people in the run-up to the election looked at what he did in troops in afghanistan and some of the other decisions and stuff that this was simply keeping things calm in the run-up to the election. what we've seen, after the election his decisions on syria as you said, this is not a president who wants to have a robust or big or bold foreign policy. so that is not going to win him any marks out there e
ball. is people are being too optimistic -- optimistic about this. marco rubio has been at the vanguard of this, obviously, republicans want to move away from their current position. but there is a lot of recalcitrance and the house on this. anything substantial will be difficult. >> keep your eye on the republican side on three people, ted cruz, the senator from texas, who was speaking this weekend at the major republican fundraiser in south carolina, rand paul, of kentucky, a tea party favored who is looking at 2016, has straddled the issues so far, and mike lee, a conservative senator from utah. if you start to build a conservative opposition to it, the house could be a bridge too far on this issue. >> the president said this week we are making sure that we hit our marks every week so that the new health care law will be in place. 14 states will not participate. 16 are in limbo. how will this play out? >> they would have had a slow rollout, but this is not dead. this is a very complicated piece of legislation and act, a lot of moving parts. you cannot measure the success of this by t
. senator marco rubio discussed how voters are impacting the future bill writing last week, intense public scrutiny has helped identify shortcomings and unintended consequences that need to be addressed. >>> president obama spoke about the challenges ahead. >> when i say i'm optimistic, i didn't say it was going to be easy. we always knew it was going to be a challenging task. i do think there will be a number of ups and downs and near death experiences as this travel, but when you look at where the american people are, where not just democrats and independents but also republicans and the public are around the need for sensible immigration reform, then i think we can get this done. >>> but not everyone is quite as optimistic. former senator jim demint talked about passing the laws. he was talking about amnesty for undocumented workers. >> the bill that is being presented is unfair for those who came here legally. it will cost americans trillions of dollars. it will make our you be lawful immigration system worse. if you consider all the factors related to the amnesty, believe me, this is
's a moment of peak precariousness for passing it. senator marco rubio may be the most influential out there saying the 300 page immigration bill he helped graph possibly can't pass the house. >> the bill that's in place probably can't pass because people are very suspicious of the government enforcing the laws. it's a very legitimate suspicion, one i share and if there's anything we can do to make it tighter to make sure laws are enforced so we don't have this problem in the future, that's exactly what we should be working on. >> there are those to the right calling the bill rubio's folly and obama-care redux and those who say illegals come into the country too easily. in a private meeting with a dozen latino leaders this week, the president made clear he expected the people in the room to support the senate proposal even if they had doubts about details. once an overarching bill was locked in by congress, the president told the group, the administration could revisit their concerns and improve it. perhaps some liberals myself object to has to do with the mexican-u.s. border because w
, marco rubio, ron johnson, every one of the gray beards had decided someone else should win. demint said we need strong conservative leaders and every one of them won with the support of the conservative grassroots. in 2012 three new republicans elected. jim demint's support was to all three of us who won. demint said we right now i in the for in the senator jim demint. and that legacy has already transformed the u.s. senate. any issue, pick any fight, and who are the people charge being out into battle and the fight? they are the rand pauls, mike lee, marco rubio, leaders there because of jim demint's support. and that is how you turn the country around. freedom. principle is freedom is really the value of our country. and the tool we crafted, our crafted that was quite revolutionary to preserve constitution.e thomas jefferson described the chains to united states senate if bind the mission of government. seeing our are freedom under assault because our constitutional liberties are threatened. in my view we should stand for the constitution and every part constitution. we should stand
something that your fellow gang of eight members that put together the bill, this is marco rubio and what he said about the bill and the need to further enhance border security. >> this bill will not pass the house and quite frankly may struggle to pass the senate if it doesn't deal with that issue. we have work to do on that front. >> so basically what he is saying is the bill, as is, might be in trouble in the senate and won't pass the house. is that helpful as you move forward trying to bring your colleagues on board? >> i'm glad that marco rubio was part of this dialogue and this negotiation. i can tell you at the end of the day that there were parts of it he didn't care for. parts of it i didn't care for. we reached a compromise, which is the nature of politics if it is going to be successful. i'm sure senator rubio feels, as i do, we have the basics here. are there elements where we might see improvement? of course. but we have to stand by the basic agreement. i have friends of mine, incidentally who look from the viewpoint of democrats and the left and say there are things we'd like t
of move forward trying to bring your colleagues on board? >> i'm glad that marco rubio was part of this dialogue and this negotiation. i can sell you at the end of the day that there were parts of it he didn't care for, parts of it i didn't care for. we reached a compromise, which is the nature of politics, if it's going to be successful. i'm sure that senator rubio feels as i do, we have the basics here. are there elements where we might need some improvement? of course. but we've got to really stand by the basic agreement. i have friends of mine, incidentally, who look at it from the viewpoint of democrats and from the left and say, there are things we'd like to see changed in it too, but we've got to basically stick to the standard of what we've established, what we've agreed to over the last three months. >> let me ask you about something that is going to come up, and that is a push by the lgbt community, lesbian and gay community, saying you need in the idea of bringing partners over, once the partner is in the u.s. or is an american citizen, that that right needs to be exp
unknown. and marco rubio with talking points that have no basis in fact and only serves as a fear. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> with a distinctly satirical point of view. if you believe in state's rights but still believe in the drug war you must be high. >> only on current tv. >> michael: more than two dozen activists and members of the naacp were arrested yesterday for protesting republican policies that the state has. they oppose a house bill requiring voters to show photo i.d. at the polls. many civil rights leaders say this is no different than a poll tax that was used in the past to disenfranchise african-american voters. naacp will entail a statewide tour to press republican policies in their district. we'll go on with our civil rights affects our lives today. with us from north carolina is president of the naacp reverend william barber. it's a pleasure having you here. thank you for coming. i want you to tell us what you're seeing in north carolina, what restrictions are lawmakers proposin
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. but the real thing, john, is that if you've got -- if marco rubio has been damaged by pushing for immigration reform while your party needs some latino voters, that's a terrible sign for 2016. >> the fascinating thing that's gone on with pat toomey and marco rubio is they have all found that issue to try to tap to the middle. ted cruz hasn't found that issue. the request he is, does he want to or does he want to follow in the foot steps of jim demint and end up at the heritage foundation. >> the next rick santorum, follow the campaign, stay to the right but own it. >> santorum tried to move to the center and lost his re-election and then tapped far to the right to try to get the nomination. >> here's the danger for your party. hillary clinton will go after the worst in why you are party. she won't debate the guy running against her. she'll debate the worst he wiels of your party. >> our problem with hillary clinton, is we have a gender gap problem, a hispanic problem. we need someone to expand the base. >> what about the woman my age who says it's about time we had a woman president? how do y
, the gang of eight. marco rubio, john mccain, lindsey graham, chuck schumer, all segments of both parties of conservative, progressive, they're moving toward a solution. >> sean: but nobody wants to hear from obama. >> he's been a leader. >> sean: no, he hasn't! >> come on! because he announces a title, he's a leader? announcing a title is not leading. what is leading is bringing people in and mediating the differences. >> that's what's happening. there's a senate compromise that's moving forward. you just want it not to succeed. i think that's the problem. >> no! i'm all for getting the border sealed. i'm all for stopping the flow of illegal immigrants into the country. and if it requires us to make some kind of a deal on people that are already here, if it's the right way, i'm very comfortable with that in the long run. but seal the borders, enforce the laws, and don't let holder let people go just to make hay out of a sequester. >> well, it's moving in the right direction. i don't know what you're complaining about on the sequester. look, the problem, the short-term problem -- >> sean:
. democrats would be celebrating from the beginning. the real thing, if marco rubio has really been damaged pushing for immigration reform when your party needs latin no voters, that's a certainly sign for 2016. >> the thing going on with pat toomey and marco rubio, they all found that issue to tack to the middle. ted cruz hasn't found that issue, does he want to or follow in the footsteps of jim demint and end up at the heritage foundation. >> maybe want to be the next santorum, follow to the right but own it. >> what rick santorum did was move to the center and lost and then tacked far to the right. >> hillary clinton, i'm not her speechwriter, she will go after the worst in your party. she won't debate the guy running against her, she'll debate the worst elements in your party. >> we have gender gap problem. we have an hispanic problem. we have to have somebody that expands the base. >> what would you say the woman not your age, my age, said it's about time to have a woman president. how do you fight that argument if she's obviously qualified? >> it's a tough one. you have to find those
's the biggest obstacle for the president when he waits with the gang of eight? what's marco rubio been saying this week? where's the stalling coming from? >> the biggest obstacle really is the tea party in the house. the latest obstacle that has been thrown up is lgbt rights. the country has gotten to a place now where it's not really acceptable to say that members of the lgbt community don't have the same rights as everybody else. but now here we are trying to do this immigration bill, kind of a holdover five users ayears ago where you're saying only straight couples are allowed to be reunited through immigration reform. you know, the other problem he has is that a lot of people are just furious with the status quo. he said that he lifted the shadow of deportation from the dreamers. that's only partially true. that shadow still hangs over all of the dreamers' parents. hundreds are getting deported every day and sitting in detention centers waiting to get deported. >> meanwhile, the president knew going in that immigration was going to be certainly on his agenda if re-elected. the other thing
. republicans are not going to get everything that they want in this bill. >> republican senator marco rubio warned that this amendment could kill the immigration bill, and senator jeff flake called it a deal breaker for most republicans. amie, you write about this in your latest article. how does the president resolve this particular issue? >> well, i think what you heard him say is that while he does support this provision, and would like to see it in there, he's not going to get everything he wants. he would like to see it in there. but, of course, that might likely not happen. so -- but i think he will -- he does want to support -- he will support the overall immigration bill, even if it doesn't include this provision. and he made that clear yesterday. >> and, ed, shifting gears a little bit. your latest article is titled ted cruz speech in south carolina fuels buzz about presidential campaign. why is that getting so much attention? >> well, it was a big night. you know, we had vice president biden here in columbia meeting with democrats, and then ted cruz was headlining a dinner hosted
, that i can't vote for the bill. >> james, one of the things you saw this week, even marco rubio, a big proponent of the bill, saying he doesn't think it can pass the house. >> let's go to the raw politics. let cato and the ceo fight it out. there are politics. this does divide the republican party. i was listening to rush limbaugh. >> i love that. >> we're democrats. we listen to everybody. he said, look -- this is what you hear from a political standpoint. you're going to bring all these people in. you're going to make them legal. you're going to help them do that. and they're not going to vote for you. and you have 4 million people that sit back every election because we're doing this. so, the limbaugh -- this is a lot of republicans' calculation, you're not going to get credit for this. the democrats are going to is get the credit. you're kboing to help a lot more democratic vote. i don't think i agree with that. but that's where the politics hit the ground. and there's a lot of opposition in the republican party. >> conservatives support immigration. and lawful immigration, if it's
, and presidential hopefuls like marco rubio and paul ryan, who want to support this bill, they know they need to support immigration reform to remain viable candidates in a national election. so i think what you're seeing now is the extent to which immigration reform is such a fragile effort with the potential of blowing up into an all-out civil war within the republican party. so the question at this point is whether the tea party is going to mobilize in full force like they did on health care and if so, that could create real problems for the whole effort and major problems for the republican party down the road, because it would turn into a question of for republican lawmakers to decide whether to watch their right flanks and to protect themselves in a primary challenge or whether to take their chances there and think about their viability with the general electorate. >> leading the charge on this from the heritage foundation, isn't it interesting to see how senator ted cruz is emerging as the anti-marco rubio when it comes to talking about immigration we re form and what it means to catap
ardently senator marco rubio of florida who said... >> john: quite frankly, that's not the immigration betweens in the u.s. that's certainly not my family's experience in the u.s. the folks described in that report are my family. we're joined now by rick ungar contributor to forbes.com. thank you for being on the show, rick. >> always a pleasure. >> john: are you shocked and awed at agreeing with the humanity of rubio? >> my favorite critic is the cato institute. in all of the years of xoistence, it hasn't happened. >> john: is it because of they genuinely don't like the report or want to win elections for republicans? >> you have to understand how remarkably flawed this report is. what's amazing about this, it is like you have a five-part assignment to do and you only did the first one and turned in your homework. basically, they took the position that there's going to be x amount of dollars going out as government support for these people and x number of dollars coming in for taxes, obviously the disparity. but the rest of it, they presume that every single immigrant will come to thi
the merits as senator marco rubio said their argument is based on a single premise that i think is flawed. they will be poor the rest of their lives to the u.s. quite frankly, not the immigration experience. haley barbour was more blunt. from a think tank, really? but that's precisely the point. the guys at heritage did not write that report for you or for me. they didn't write that report for democratic lawmakers or the "new york times." they wrote that report for the right wing base. those figures will be recited over and over again on right wing talk radio. because this report is reverse engineered based on what will get the base most riled up. the guys at heritage know they will get a reaction when they say welfare. they know they will get a reaction when they say amnesty and put them together. the study is an open declaration of war on republican party elite who are quite committed in a past the point of no return kind of way to some kind of comprehensive immigration reform legislation. what's to remarkable about where we stand on this right now, the of over 11 million human beings h
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